Author: Phil Fiore

According to co-founder Phil Fiore, the Dynasty-backed firm will make four to six transactions per year, and is looking at the space between the Mississippi River and the East Coast; but the deals “have to be the right ones.”
April 29, 2025

The $8 billion RIA is getting more fuel for geographic expansion and recruit top talent through a minority investment partnership.
April 17, 2025

According to Procyon, Constellation Wealth Capital’s investment will help the RIA expand its advisor talent and open offices in key markets nationwide.
April 17, 2025

Headquartered in Shelton, Conn., Procyon is part of the Dynasty Financial Partners network.

April 17, 2025

Procyon, which has $7.8 billion in assets, plans to expand its operations and reach.
April 17, 2025, 10:00 am EST

Procyon Partners Receives Strategic Minority Investment from Constellation Wealth Capital

Partnership to Fuel Growth, Expand Talent, and Broaden National Footprint
 

SHELTON, Conn.–(BUSINESS WIRE)– Procyon Partners, a fast-growing registered investment advisory (RIA) firm known for delivering personalized, fiduciary-driven wealth management solutions, today announced that Constellation Wealth Capital (CWC), an alternative asset management platform, has acquired a minority stake in the firm. The strategic investment marks a new chapter of growth and opportunity for Procyon Partners, enabling it to scale operations, attract top-tier talent, and expand its geographic presence.

“This is a transformative moment for our firm,” said Phil Fiore, Procyon Partners CEO and Co-Founder. “CWC shares our commitment to client-first values, innovation, and long-term partnership. With their support, we’re positioned to accelerate our growth while continuing to deliver the exceptional, independent advice our clients have come to trust.”

The minority investment from CWC represents a strong vote of confidence in Procyon Partners’ differentiated model and future potential. The capital and strategic resources provided by CWC will allow Procyon Partners to broaden its capabilities, enhance advisor resources, and open new offices in key markets across the country.

“We are excited to support Procyon Partners’ vision and momentum,” said Karl Heckenberg, President and Managing Partner at Constellation Wealth Capital. “Their team has built a compelling, advisor-driven business with a clear growth trajectory. We look forward to partnering with them as they continue to redefine excellence in independent wealth management.”

Procyon Partners remains independently operated and committed to maintaining its entrepreneurial culture, fiduciary focus, and deep relationships with clients, and is further supported by its back-office partner Dynasty Financial Partners. The partnership with CWC reflects a shared belief in the value of long-term collaboration and innovation in serving the next generation of investors.

Houlihan Lokey served as the investment banking advisor to Procyon Partners for this transaction. Dynasty Investment Bank supported the management team of Procyon Partners on this transaction.

About Procyon Partners

Procyon Partners is an independent registered investment advisor managing over $8.0 billion in client assets, with offices in Connecticut, New York City, Long Island, Tennessee, and Maryland. The firm specializes in institutional retirement consulting and private wealth management, helping clients design, manage, and optimize their financial strategies.

For more information, visit http://www.procyonpartners.net/

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About Constellation Wealth Capital

Constellation Wealth Capital (CWC) is an alternative asset management platform dedicated to the wealth management sector. CWC provides flexible, long-term capital solutions, and strategic advisory support to scaled wealth management platforms. CWC leverages its deep industry experience and relationships for the benefit of its partner firms. Learn more at www.ConstellationWealthCapital.com

April 2, 2025

Proven Investment Duo Brings Risk-Smart Strategies to Fuel Firm’s Next Phase of Growth

SHELTON, Conn.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Procyon is making a bold move to elevate its investment capabilities with the addition of Massimo Santicchia as Senior Vice President, Head of U.S. Equities, and Katherine Gallagher as Senior Vice President, Senior Portfolio Manager. More than top-tier hires, Santicchia and Gallagher are an investment team that has been developing innovative portfolio strategies and delivering strong results for clients since 2012.

“I look forward to developing innovative equity strategies that drive performance while managing risk in meaningful ways. We’re not just adding talent, we’re adding a team with a track record of success,” said Phil Fiore, CEO and Co-Founder of Procyon. “Massimo and Katherine bring a dynamic partnership that blends deep quantitative expertise with real-world investment acumen. Their experience, expertise, and collaborative approach are primed to take our research and portfolio strategies to higher ground.”

Katherine Gallagher

Katherine Gallagher specializes in multi-asset investing, asset allocation, and manager selection, with 20 years of experience managing ETFs, mutual funds, and proprietary equity strategies. She was named “Manager of the Decade” by PSN Informa four years in a row, most recently in 2024.

“Procyon is positioned to deliver institutional-quality portfolio management to a broader client base,” said Gallagher. “I’m excited to enhance our research capabilities and build sophisticated investment solutions tailored to the specific needs of our clients.”

Massimo Santicchia

Massimo Santicchia has over 30 years of experience in quantitative investing, portfolio construction, and factor-based research. He has developed investment strategies across mutual funds, unit investment trusts (UITs), and separately managed accounts (SMAs) and was recognized by PSN Informa as “Manager of the Decade” for four consecutive years, including 2024.

“Our strong track record across various equity styles reflects our disciplined and systematic investment process developed over more than 20 years of research. These strategies are now available to both Procyon’s advisors and their clients and on several external platforms,” said Santicchia. “I look forward to developing innovative equity strategies that drive performance while managing risk in meaningful ways.”

Procyon is part of the Dynasty Financial Partners Network, leveraging Dynasty’s technology, investment platform, and business solutions to enhance its advisory services.

“Procyon continues to attract top-tier talent, and Massimo and Katherine will be key drivers of the firm’s growth,” said Gordon Ross, Chief Client Officer, Dynasty Financial Partners. “Their expertise strengthens Procyon’s capabilities and deepens the firm’s value to its clients. Procyon has shown a tremendous track record of expanding both geographically, but also expanding the range of services and expertise they provide to clients.”

About Procyon

Procyon is an independent registered investment advisor managing over $8.0 billion in client assets, with offices in Connecticut, New York City, Long Island, Tennessee, and Maryland. The firm specializes in institutional retirement consulting and private wealth management, helping clients design, manage, and optimize their financial strategies.

For more information, visit https://procyon.net/

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Diana Britton | Jul 22, 2024

While many in the financial advice business have for years focused on retail clients, some firms are finding that institutional clients, such as pensions and foundations, can pay off in a major way.

When advisor Phil Fiore started his career at Prudential Securities in the 1990s, the most common way to build a book of business was to “dial for dollars,” cold-calling complete strangers hoping to convince them to hand over their assets and invest in the latest preferred stock.

“How many times am I going to do that? How many times you get punched in the face?” he said.

He had a better idea—if he could land a client with a larger pool of assets, say, a retirement plan, he could access the people within that pool. A $20 million retirement plan client, for instance, could provide 200 participants as warm leads for his private wealth business.

Fiore has followed that thesis for three decades and now leads Procyon, a Dynasty Financial Partners-backed registered investment advisor with $7 billion in total assets, about $4.5 billion of which are institutional.

To be sure, the wirehouses

have been building their institutional consulting businesses for many years. In fact, Fiore built one of the biggest institutional consulting groups at Merrill Lynch and then UBS before going independent. Morgan Stanley’s Graystone Consulting has roots dating back to 1973 and is still going strong.

There have been some early adopters in the RIA space, such as Captrust, which oversees more than $800 billion in assets, and SageView Advisory Group, which advises on over 1,900 defined contribution, defined benefit and deferred compensation plans.

However, many in the RIA business are only now beginning to discover Fiore’s premis for themselves and making concerted efforts to serve the institutional market.

One of the biggest RIAs in the country, Mariner Wealth Advisors, acquired two institutional consulting firms, AndCo Consulting and Fourth Street Performance Partners, in early February, adding $104 billion in assets and 100 employees. The two firms will combine to form the foundation for Mariner Institutional. Mariner’s existing retirement plan services team, which manages about $5 billion in defined contribution assets, will also be rolled up into that new vertical.

Marty Bicknell, president and CEO of Mariner, said his firm’s M&A strategy is primarily about talent acquisition, and the institutional expertise was “a gaping hole in our offering.” However, this new development also gives Mariner advisors access to the participants of those institutions to help them plan for retirement, he said.

“The institutional consultant very frequently will get asked, ‘Is what you’re doing available to me, or is it available to any of the participants that might be on the retirement side?’” Bicknell said. “And from AndCo’s perspective, they always had to answer ‘no,’ because they did not have a wealth offering. And so this gives us the ability for them to respond ‘yes.’”

But these are still only the initial stages of what will likely be a growing trend of RIA firms looking to connect institutional businesses with retail wealth management firms, said Lew Minsky, president and CEO of the Defined Contribution Institutional Investment Association.

“I think we’re at the early days of this next level trend, which is RIA aggregators purely in the wealth management side saying, ‘Well, having a connection to the retirement side, that institutional market can be a valuable way for us to diversify our business and create a pipeline into the wealth management business as well,’” he said.

The Next Wave

While Captrust has a history in the retirement plan space, the RIA has recently acquired more traditional institutional consulting firms that serve defined benefit plans, endowments and foundations. In 2022, it picked up Portfolio Evaluations Inc., a Warren, N.J.–based firm with more than $107 billion in assets and several hundred clients. In February 2021, it added Cammack Retirement Group, with $154 billion in assets under advisement, and in August 2021, it acquired Ellwood Associates, with $85 billion in AUA.

Creative Planning’s acquisition in 2021 of the retirement plan business of Lockton, an independent insurance brokerage, which added $110 billion to the RIA’s assets, is another example.

Minsky said one factor driving the latest wave into the institutional space is the recognition that the retirement plan and wealth management businesses complement each other.

“You can get a pretty significant pipeline of potential wealth management clients through the institutional plan relationships and at a relatively low cost, and then potentially create through that pipeline, create higher margin wealth management business and ultimately create enterprise value,” he said.

This is a sentiment echoed by Fiore.

“Some of the current people that are coming in are just looking at the outright demographics and saying, ‘Hey, there’s going to be a load of money retiring in the next half a decade to a decade,’” Fiore said. “The best way to get in there is to have been doing the work on the 401(k) to begin with, and that will provide the ultimate entrée, I believe.”

Dick Darian, founding partner of Wise Rhino Group, which provides M&A advisory services for firms focused on the retirement and wealth advisory space, said wealth advisors used to go after individuals’ 401(k) rollovers, but a lot of those rollovers aren’t happening at the pace they used to. Either folks are leaving money in plans because it’s cheaper than having an advisor manage it, or the Captrusts of the world are getting to the participants first through the c-suite relationships, he said.

“If you are already in the c-suite, and you’re providing institutional retirement consulting to a company—defined as you’re helping companies design their plans, administer their plans, invest the money, communicate with employees—you’ve already got one foot in the door,” Darian said. “You might as well kind of keep going and begin to figure out how do I engage the employees and participants in these companies in a way that I can begin to have wealth conversations with them?”

That’s essentially what RIAs like Captrust, Mariner and Creative Planning are hoping to do. But these firms are using more sophisticated approaches to “worksite engagement,” Darian said.

Fiore said he’s not just going into a boardroom and talking shop with the board of trustees of the retirement plan. Instead, his team engages onsite with participants via group meetings or webinars.

“We’re active in the demographics of the participants, and I think that’s why we’ve been so successful at that,” he said.

In addition to engaging participants, Bicknell said the acquisitions of AndCo and Fourth Street Performance Partners provided an opportunity to bring the new services to Mariner’s existing retirement plan clients. In fact, they already have 900 institutional clients.

Darian said Mariner’s existing retirement plans clients typically have $20 million and 500 participants on average, whereas AndCo is working with much larger plans.

“Marty could be thinking, ‘Well, look, that service could be migrated down market so we can provide a better product for smaller plans because now we have a more sophisticated firm that’s providing services in a different segment,’” Darian said.

Evolution of Traditional Consulting

Beacon Pointe was another RIA early to the institutional game. In fact, the firm started as an institutional consulting business when it lifted out a team from Canterbury Consulting in 2002. It had about $1 billion in AUA at the time, with a small base of private clients. The firm has about $6 billion in institutional business. Its retail business grew rapidly from the beginning.

The RIA went in reverse order than the industry has trended, building its wealth management business off the back of its institutional business. But Mike Breller, managing director, institutional consulting at Beacon Pointe, said the evolution of traditional consulting has driven more RIAs into the business, and in particular, the rise of the OCIO (outsourced CIO) model.

That model has allowed advisors to move from non-discretionary to discretionary management, a more scalable and higher-fee model.

Under the traditional consulting model, the consultant would advise the institution’s committee on recommendations for the portfolio, and when the consultant leaves, the committee would have to vote on those changes to approve them, Breller said. Then, the executives would have to go to their custodian and execute on those trades themselves. They only meet on a quarterly basis.

Under the OCIO model, the handcuffs are off, and the consultant has the discretion to make changes to the portfolio and execute those trades as ideas come up.

“This OCIO business segment represents a really large and fast-growing portion of every institutional opportunity that’s out there,” Breller said. “Being able to scale this institutional business that’s now set on OCIO model portfolios based on higher fees than the traditional consulting model, that’s more attractive for larger RIAs and wealth management firms today than it was in the old model.”

Breller said he’s now able to build a service offering that can be used by Beacon Pointe’s wealth advisors across the country. Because the firm has discretion, its portfolio management decisions are all centralized, so advisors, whether they have that institutional background or not, can add that distribution channel.

“If it’s $100 million and you’re in New Jersey, you’re probably going to refer it to our group and we’ll do it all. If it’s $10 million and it’s in New Jersey, that group now has all of our back-end potential to market, close, manage the portfolio. All you have to do is service it,” he said.

Build, Buy or Lease?

While some firms, like Procyon and Beacon Pointe, have chosen to build an institutional business themselves, it can be difficult to do so from scratch, given the long sales cycle. The quickest way is to buy into the space.

In fact, Wise Rhino has made about 150 deals over the last five years, and almost all of them have helped retirement advisory businesses sell to retirement and wealth aggregators. That activity has been driven by buyers coming in with massive private equity money looking to expand or by sellers looking for a succession plan, Darian said.

In 2010, his firm was doing five to 10 deals a year in the retirement plan space; it started to boom in 2018, 2019, and 2020, and by 2021, those accounted for over 75 of 252 total RIA transactions.

Once the deals close, Mariner Institutional will have 40 institutional consultants, and Bicknell wants to double over the next three years through a combination of acquisitions and traditional recruiting.

Breller said Beacon Pointe is also exploring acquisitions of one or more institutional OCIO businesses to expand its expertise in that area further.

Another way to enter the space is to lease or outsource the work to someone who specializes in it. In fact, Procyon offers just that, where advisors can white-label its “Total Benefits Solution.” Procyon’s consultants do the work behind the scenes, administering the plan and executing the portfolio, while the RIA manages the relationship with the client. The firm currently has five individual RIAs and two large institutions it serves with that model.

“You’re literally marrying another entity that you may not have married from the beginning,” says CEO of Procyon.

July 5, 2024

By Gregg Greenberg

Partnering with another RIA means more than merely hooking up, according to Phil Fiore, CEO of Procyon. It’s essentially a wedding between wealth managers.

“You’re literally marrying another entity that you may not have married from the beginning,” said Fiore. “This is a whole new change as to how the firm works and what the direction will be.”

And like any marriage, it could head in the wrong direction – and quickly – if those partners enter into the arrangement for the wrong reasons, or without being forthright from the very beginning.

Fiore and four partners launched Procyon in 2017 with $2B in AUM in a single Shelton, Connecticut office. Today they manage $7B across six offices and have a team of 50 employees.

Finding the right partner, one that fills respective voids, takes time, says Fiore. In his view, getting the culture correct upfront is far more important than finding someone that will expeditiously cut a check.

“The ones that went wrong in the aggregate are the ones that were not culturally aligned,” said Fiore. “I’ve been independent for seven years, but in the seven years that we’ve done this, the successful ones are those that really understand where the partner fits, and the people that just go about it relative to a check, well, I usually see those unwind.”

So with all that in mind, what should one look for before saying ‘I do’ at the RIA altar?

The number one thing, says Fiore, is making sure the potential partner is organically growing year over year. And more than that, the ability to prove it when opening the books. Number two, if a firm has grown through M&A, then one needs to make sure those tuck-ins are accretive and profitable.

“And at the end of the day, you want to know if the business is run profitably according to EBITA,” said Fiore.

The alternative to partnering up for growth of course is selling out. And in the current market there is no shortage of large suitors backed with stacks of private equity cash seeking yet another roll-up.

As enticing as it sounds, don’t simply go for green, says Fiore.

“From a sales standpoint, you have to reconcile in your mind that what you built cannot continue in the way it has without some larger entity rebranding and refocusing the efforts there,” said Fiore.

And don’t forget about the clients either, whether the growth path is via partnership or sale.

“I think irrespective of whether or not you sell-out in the aggregate or partner up, the firm needs to align with you culturally. It needs to align with how you treat your clients,” said Fiore. “If you align with someone that’s worried about profits and just profits, and cutting, cutting, cutting, that’s a misalignment. You’ve got to spend a lot of time again being patient, making sure that the values align.

Growth isn’t a linear, smooth path – it’s filled with multiple challenges as a firm proceeds through stages. Navigating the ship of business requires different approaches from advisory firms that recently launched, those that have reached their final intended heights, and those in between.

We reached out to three CEOs of advisory businesses – at early, middle and fully achieved stages of growth – that are affiliated with Dynasty Financial Partners: Matt Liebman, Founding Partner, CEO and Wealth Advisor at Amplius Wealth Advisors; Phil Fiore, Co-Founder, Partner, Executive Managing Director and CEO of Procyon; and Michael Lehman, CEO and Founding Partner of Premier Path Wealth Partners.

We asked each of them about the challenges, strategies, insights and experiences of their stage of growth. Our questions and their answers follow.

Procyon takes a bottom-up approach to portfolio management, but the firm’s real differentiator lies in its own alternative funds, giving clients access to unique opportunities in the private markets.

Diana Britton | Apr 08, 2024

Procyon was founded in 2017 by financial advisor Phil Fiore with the support of Dynasty Financial Partners. Fiore previously built one of the most prominent institutional consulting groups at Merrill Lynch and then UBS before going independent. And while much of the RIA’s $7 billion business is now private wealth, the institutional DNA still runs through it.

That includes the RIA’s portfolio management process. The firm’s proxy model portfolio, explained below, consists of a 20% allocation to alternatives, which some may consider high for a retail wealth management firm. And that allocation is not through an alternative platform, such as iCapital or CAIS, but via Procyon’s proprietary funds.

Antonio Rodrigues, partner and chief investment officer at Procyon, provides a peek inside the RIA’s 50/30/20 model portfolio.

The following has been edited for length and clarity.

WealthManagement.com: What’s in your model portfolio?

Antonio Rodrigues: If you’re going to compare what we’re doing to a normal 60/40 portfolio, we would say it’s going to be 50% equity, 30% fixed, and 20% in alternatives.

We’re utilizing mostly passive strategies in our equity bucket, individual ETFs for the most part on the equity side, whether it’s large cap, small, mid, international or emerging markets. And then we’ll also use some thematic ETFs like cybersecurity oil. We were buying some energy-related specific ETFs towards the bottom of 2020 and held them for a couple of years.

On the fixed-income side, we’re using active managers, and we’re trying to keep our duration close to the benchmark.

And for alternatives, we’re mainly using our two funds if the client qualifies. If they don’t qualify, then we will use only one of our private funds that they can qualify for and will find an alternative, maybe a 40 Act fund, as a proxy for our fund.

WM.com: What’s in the equity and bond buckets, and what’s driving those allocations?

AR: What drives the allocations is going to mainly be our macro investment committee voting members. Each quarter, we have a survey of all the members of the committee. We weigh the answers, and we act accordingly. And we essentially ask them, “If you’re 60/40 or whatever the target is, what are your tactical weightings? And here were the weightings last time, and here are how you would answer it today.”

We use benchmarking in order to gauge our success. On the equity side, 75% of our benchmark is the Russell 3000, and 25% is the ACWI-ex-U.S.

On the fixed side, it’s just the Bloomberg Aggregate Bond Index. And on the private side, there’s no real benchmark there. That’s more manager-by-manager.

We will often substitute or enhance our equity or fixed-income targets with individual securities or SMAs. We do have a series of in-house managed equity portfolios and own several SMA managers across the firm for both stocks and fixed income.

WM.com: Have you made any allocation changes in the last six months to a year?

AR: About a year ago, we had an overweight to China, and we exited that overweight as we saw that their reopening did not occur. We’re market-weight or neutral on emerging markets right now. We also have added a little bit to small-cap and to developed international simply because the expected return of diversion from the mean has been so dramatic. In public equities, typically, that’s going to revert to the mean versus the U.S.

When it comes to holdings themselves, we’re using Vanguard, Schwab ETFs. We’ve got 23% in growth. We’ve got 20% just in large cap blend. We’re using the Capital Group Dividend Value ETF at 7%. We’ve got a 5% position in the NASDAQ Cybersecurity ETF. We’ve also added to the Pacer U.S. Cash Cows 100 ETF. We’ve gotten out of small-cap value over the last year. We’ve added back to small-cap growth with the Pacer U.S. Small Cap Cash Cows ETF as well.

We are of the mindset that there was always going to be three rate cuts this year because we tend to believe the Fed. We think if those cuts occur, we’re going to get a greater beta out of the growth side versus the value side. So far, it hasn’t been priced in that that will occur, but we’re keeping an eye on it as some of the leadership is changing in the market.

On the fixed income side, we have moved closer to duration. We’ve essentially exited most of our cash positions that we would’ve held over the last two years. We were overweight cash; now we’re back to market weight when it comes to fixed income. On the duration side, we’ve been short for a long, long time. We’re moving closer to neutral duration. But by and large, we have active managers in there, so we don’t want to over-manage the managers either. We’re tactical where we need to be on a macro basis, but we give the managers there a lot of leeway.

WM.com: How are your private funds structured, and what do they invest in?

AR: We launched two flavors: One is a vintage drawdown series, so that’s Procyon Vintage I. Inside of that is all private equity and venture capital. We have funded three managers so far and looking to fund a fourth manager that was launched in July of last year. We are charging no management fee and no carry for current Procyon clients to invest in there. We get the same revenue whether you own shares of Apple or a treasury bond or you own a Procyon fund. We wanted to be true fiduciaries, and we wanted to make sure we didn’t have just a single source solution. So we’ve put together a couple of parties that are all independent of each other to create those funds and deliver them.

The evergreen structure was launched in the fourth quarter of last year. It is a 307C fund, whereby all the investments inside the evergreen structure are going to be hedge-funded in private credit and a little bit of GP. We’ve identified six managers there, and we’re looking to fund all of them by the end of April. The target minimum raise is $25 million. So once we get to the $25 million, we’re able to deploy all that capital for accredited investors. Even though the underlying investments are QP only, they’re very high minimums, $5 and $10 million minimums. Again, we take no carry nor management fee for Procyon clients. We are developing a share class whereby we can allow other RIAs to invest for a small management fee attached to it.

WM.com: How is the first fund you mentioned, Procyon Vintage I, structured?

AR: It’s a feeder fund, and that one is likely going to close at the end of this year. We’re going to close that fund once we fund it, and that’ll have a 10-year lockup for investors, and those are QP-only investments.

WM.com: How are you getting access to these private equity managers?

AR: We’ve got a big network within the firm of advisors and people that have worked in the industry for a while, so we have a lot of inputs there. There are a lot of people who are knocking on our door to get into the funds and be a part of our platform. We didn’t want to use iCapital or CAIS to source the funds because if we could get them on the platform, then we wouldn’t create our own feeder. We would essentially just buy them on the platform. So we hired a firm owned by F.L. Putnam, Atrato Consulting. Atrato’s sole focus is to do due diligence and source new managers. They have sourced the majority of the managers there. We gave them the criteria of the management we were looking for, which are high minimums, off-platform, and hard to access, and that’s what they found us.

We’re looking at a diversified basket of managers. So what’ll happen is, in the vintage fund, investors will commit capital, and if there’s enough there to fund another manager, then we will fund that manager. And then it’s a drawdown structure. Each of the managers will have their own capital calls on the fund. So each of the commitments will get funded little by little over the course of one to two years. And then what will happen is there’ll start to be some distributions, and that may be sort of self-funding going forward.

WM.com: What differentiates your portfolio?

AR: On the public equity side, we’re delivering low-cost, tax-efficient, tactical, and thematic. We have a top-down understanding of the economy. We have a bottom-up understanding of the portfolio, and we run it that way. But it’s very hard to differentiate on that these days. You want to make sure people have access to public markets in an efficient way. So what we’re really trying to do is find access to managers that are hard to access.

We’re looking for funds that may be closed, but willing to accept some interesting new deposits or new clients. We’re doing a lot of work on the alternative side because that’s where most of the work belongs. It’s very difficult to identify good managers on the alternative side, so we’re delivering a ton of value there. And then we’re getting access. So we’re getting calls from people who have been investing with us now in alternatives, and they may have a co-invest opportunity for some unique clients. We’re working really hard on getting access to unique opportunities for all the clients.

WM.com: What’s your due diligence process for choosing asset managers and funds?

AR: We have a small group within our walls called the Manager Research Group. It’s a committee whose job is to run all the due diligence on all the managers, and it was born a couple of years ago. We took Procyon’s institutional due diligence process because we have several billion in institutional funds, 401(k)s and pensions. We took that due diligence process and overlayed the private wealth prism on it. In institutional due diligence, it’s all about meeting metrics—backward-looking. In private wealth, it’s all about what the expected return is going to be. And so we took those two things and built them together and created our manager research group. They meet on a monthly basis.

We look at about 11 different pillars. A lot of that has to do with manager tenure, fees, who owns the fund, how much is in the fund distribution, potential distributions, and then you have peer group rankings and so forth. They all have to be within the top two quartiles of all the data in order to be considered a good fund.

For private, it’s vastly different. The data is not readily available to look at the market as a whole easily. We wind up having to go manager by manager; we have a voting group made up of the main members of the main committee, and we get managers lined up, they get proposed, and we do the research, and we vote them in or out.

WM.com: What’s the opportunity you see in investing in alternatives?

AR: You’re supposed to be fully diversified in a portfolio. Now if you’re not an accredited investor or higher, it’s difficult to get access to these kinds of things, number one. So there are barriers in place for a reason, and so we adhere to those. But what ends up happening is once you become accredited and qualified, then all new doors open up, and that’s the way it’s built. What winds up happening is there’s this big demand in the private markets because the public markets have become so much less diversified.

On top of that, nowadays, you can structure investments in alternatives with much better liquidity structures than you would have been able to 10 years ago. The evergreen structure would’ve been more difficult. We do believe there’s a premium to be earned when you have less liquidity, so we want to capture that for the clients. To clients and even to some professionals, the public markets more and more look “rigged,” and people don’t trust them as much.

WM.com: Do you have any interest in bitcoin ETFs or getting into the crypto markets at all?

AR: We’ve entered the crypto markets on a non-discretionary basis over the last several years. As the demand came up for us internally, we wanted to provide the right solution as opposed to referring everyone. So we partnered with a company called Eaglebrook Advisors, and essentially we hold everything in cold storage. And now with the advent of the ETF and the size and the scope of them, it becomes more of a tactical decision.

We have approved on our recommended list, one bitcoin ETF. Essentially to us, a bitcoin ETF as it’s structured today is just all about what the fees are because they should all have very low tracking errors and so forth. But we have not made an active decision to allocate to bitcoin, and if we do, that would be in the alternatives portion of the portfolio.